Five months after the Online Rape Academy exposed men for drugging and raping women as a shared hobby, Manchester gives us the offline version. I guess we have to keep learning the same fucking thing.
Stomach churning. He didn’t approach one man—ONE?—who said no and blew the whistle on the whole thing? As for the rapists—they know enough to want to keep their malicious behavior secret, but I continue to be struck by the apparent fact that men (most men, including judges and juries) just don’t think rape is that bad.
He seemed normal. Maybe because this is definitely more normal than it should be. Given that not one man called the police, they all thought it was tolerable. So he seemed normal and will keep seeming normal til men are willing to call each other out.
Half of rape accusations are false. Of course, you feminists are silent about that. You are also silent about the female teachers that rape underage boys.
Hey Frank... did you know that at least 28 women have accused tRump of sexual misconduct? Did you know that E. Jean Carroll won TWO civil lawsuits against him for sexually assaulting her?... and he still got elected?!?
Remind me again the toll that men pay. Is it chronic PTSD? A feeling like they're not safe anywhere? Do men walk around at night with their keys laced between their fingers? Do men look in their backseats to make sure there isn't a sexual predator (or worse, a murderer) hiding there? Those are just SOME of the tolls that women pay multiple times a day to stay safe.
Haven't heard that "Donald" employs any of those strategies....
You are absolutely right, Dana. Frank is pure nonsense. He is just a hate-mongering misogynist. He hasn’t a clue what a real woman. He lives in a delusional state, obviously.
You are absolutely right, Dana. Frank is pure nonsense. He is just a hate-mongering misogynist. He hasn’t a clue what a real woman is. He lives in a delusional state, obviously.
Frank, the statistic backed by science is closer to 2-8% (Lisak et al. 2010, Kelly et al. 2005, and others). When you can cite a CREDIBLE source to back up your claim, let me know.
I recommend you learn more about what qualifies as credible research, or maybe you’re just looking for information that provides you with confirmation bias affirmation. The 1994 paper you cited, "False Rape Allegations," published in Archives of Sexual Behavior, is solely authored by Eugene J. Kanin, and it found a 41 percent false allegation rate, not a 40-60 percent range.
As for the methodology itself, the criticism is substantial and comes from multiple directions:
No independent verification. Kanin relied entirely on the police department's own classification of a report as "false." He didn't independently investigate the underlying cases himself, he took the department's word for it.
No operational definition of "false." The study never articulated a clear, replicable standard for what counted as a false allegation. Critics have called this out specifically, that absence alone undermines any claim to scientific rigor.
Recantation as the sole criterion, under coercive conditions. A case counted as false only if the complainant recanted and stated she hadn't been raped. But the department in question had a stated practice of offering polygraph tests to all rape complainants, a tactic since widely rejected and, in many jurisdictions, outlawed specifically because of its intimidating effect on victims. That creates a real risk that some recantations were coerced rather than truthful.
No independent coding or inter-rater reliability. There was no systematized method, no second set of eyes checking the department's determinations against a consistent standard, no safeguard against bias in how individual detectives made the call.
Tiny, non-representative sample. Forty-five cases from a single small Midwestern police department over nine years. That's not a base you can generalize a national or universal rate from.
David Lisak, whose own research is frequently cited in response, put it bluntly: Kanin's paper is "a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape." When researchers have applied more rigorous, defined methodology across multiple sites, estimates have converged much lower, generally in the 2-8 percent range.
Of course algorithms keep these stories from reaching the feed of men. Just us victims! How do we get this information to MEN so the good ones can police and shut this shit down!
Stomach churning. He didn’t approach one man—ONE?—who said no and blew the whistle on the whole thing? As for the rapists—they know enough to want to keep their malicious behavior secret, but I continue to be struck by the apparent fact that men (most men, including judges and juries) just don’t think rape is that bad.
This is horrific. This type of thing has stopped surprising me, but I refuse to let myself stop feeling the horror. 💔
EXACTLY. We must always feel this horror.
He seemed normal. Maybe because this is definitely more normal than it should be. Given that not one man called the police, they all thought it was tolerable. So he seemed normal and will keep seeming normal til men are willing to call each other out.
Half of rape accusations are false. Of course, you feminists are silent about that. You are also silent about the female teachers that rape underage boys.
Frank—I’m (metaphorically) hurling you and this nonsense into the sea.
Hey Frank... did you know that at least 28 women have accused tRump of sexual misconduct? Did you know that E. Jean Carroll won TWO civil lawsuits against him for sexually assaulting her?... and he still got elected?!?
Remind me again the toll that men pay. Is it chronic PTSD? A feeling like they're not safe anywhere? Do men walk around at night with their keys laced between their fingers? Do men look in their backseats to make sure there isn't a sexual predator (or worse, a murderer) hiding there? Those are just SOME of the tolls that women pay multiple times a day to stay safe.
Haven't heard that "Donald" employs any of those strategies....
Thank you Sarah—I feel all this rage alongside you.
Accusations are not convictions, but feminists like to think they are.
No, half of rape accusations are not false; reliable studies show that the true rate of false sexual assault allegations is between 2% and 10%
Btw, FU Frank. You raging misogynist!
Yeah Frank is pure nonsense. Imagine reading this story and being like BUT SOMETIMES WOMEN TEACHERS RAPE OUR BOYS AND YOU SAY NOTHING.
As if we would say nothing about that.
As if it happens with any sort of regularity.
GAH.
You are absolutely right, Dana. Frank is pure nonsense. He is just a hate-mongering misogynist. He hasn’t a clue what a real woman. He lives in a delusional state, obviously.
You are absolutely right, Dana. Frank is pure nonsense. He is just a hate-mongering misogynist. He hasn’t a clue what a real woman is. He lives in a delusional state, obviously.
Frank, the statistic backed by science is closer to 2-8% (Lisak et al. 2010, Kelly et al. 2005, and others). When you can cite a CREDIBLE source to back up your claim, let me know.
Eugene Kanin and Charles McDowell found false accusation rates of 40-60%.
https://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
I recommend you learn more about what qualifies as credible research, or maybe you’re just looking for information that provides you with confirmation bias affirmation. The 1994 paper you cited, "False Rape Allegations," published in Archives of Sexual Behavior, is solely authored by Eugene J. Kanin, and it found a 41 percent false allegation rate, not a 40-60 percent range.
As for the methodology itself, the criticism is substantial and comes from multiple directions:
No independent verification. Kanin relied entirely on the police department's own classification of a report as "false." He didn't independently investigate the underlying cases himself, he took the department's word for it.
No operational definition of "false." The study never articulated a clear, replicable standard for what counted as a false allegation. Critics have called this out specifically, that absence alone undermines any claim to scientific rigor.
Recantation as the sole criterion, under coercive conditions. A case counted as false only if the complainant recanted and stated she hadn't been raped. But the department in question had a stated practice of offering polygraph tests to all rape complainants, a tactic since widely rejected and, in many jurisdictions, outlawed specifically because of its intimidating effect on victims. That creates a real risk that some recantations were coerced rather than truthful.
No independent coding or inter-rater reliability. There was no systematized method, no second set of eyes checking the department's determinations against a consistent standard, no safeguard against bias in how individual detectives made the call.
Tiny, non-representative sample. Forty-five cases from a single small Midwestern police department over nine years. That's not a base you can generalize a national or universal rate from.
David Lisak, whose own research is frequently cited in response, put it bluntly: Kanin's paper is "a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape." When researchers have applied more rigorous, defined methodology across multiple sites, estimates have converged much lower, generally in the 2-8 percent range.
I witness this story with anger and grief.
Thank you Sean.
😡😡😡🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀 (I am usually somewhat articulate but not after reading that)
Yeah, it took a long time to write this because I was like FUCKING FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK GAAHHHHHHHHHHH the whole time.
Of course algorithms keep these stories from reaching the feed of men. Just us victims! How do we get this information to MEN so the good ones can police and shut this shit down!
Let’s see you women stop female teachers from raping underage boys. You won’t, of course.
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
Further evidence that "every woman knows someone who's been raped but no man knows a rapist" is truer than we thought.
You feminists like to ignore the female teachers that rape underage boys
Yikes. So horrible. And I ask what happens when it becomes normalized? It’s seems to be getting closer to that.
It is normalized. That's why these men rarely get jail time. They get forgiven and "rehabilitated" though nothing more than time passing.
I would say it's been normalized since the beginning.
I agree with you!
I hope they investigate the “normal men” lives… players on teams, patients, etc. unlikely this is their only offense.
And those supporting the Nazis also "seemed so normal". Hard to continue to give men the benefit of the doubt.
Yes! I agree with you. Prosecute them all.